Interesting Cook (Party/No Water/New Style Charcoal) Part 2

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Interesting Cook (Party/No Water/New Style Charcoal) Part 2

Postby Old Dave » Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:24 am

This is part 2 of my Interesting Cook and if you haven't read Part 1, please do so now before you read this second note.

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The smoker was setup with the Sump Pump running a 10 cfm fan and the gate on the fan was set to about 30% open.

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I used several probes thru the cook so I would know how the cooker was doing and recorded the cook.

I started the cook with a Weber Firecube which I placed right in front of the vent on the right side of the cooker. As soon as the fire was out on the cube, I started the sump pump and brought the cooker up to temp. It took about 45 minutes.

I got the butts and brisket loaded about 1:30am and just turned the cooker loose and let it go until morning. It did fine without the water and the temp really held well until the wind kicked up and then I had to cut the fan back some more and close down the top vent to about 1/3 open to keep the cooker at the temp I wanted. I loaded the balance of the meat as the cook progressed. The temp in the cooker from the top to the bottom at all times ran just as it would with water. Really surprised me as I thought it might run hotter in the lower area of the cooker.

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At 10 hours into the cook (which was about twice as long as I usually get), I loaded 2 more pounds of the brickettes into the cooker to be sure it would run to the end of my cook which turned out to be about 13 total hours. As it turned out, I didn't need this charcoal.

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There are two butts on the top grid in the picture with one loaded to the back and one loaded to the front of the grid, next grid down is my brisket, next down is two slabs of loin backs and the lower grid has the third rack of ribs along with the whole butterflied chicken and the Spam.

The only problem I had was with the wind but I was able to control the cooker at all times at the lower temps and running without any water in the pan.

After the meat came off, I shut down the cookers vents and let the fire go out and this is the remaining charcoal I took out of the cooker.

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Like I said, I don't think I needed this extra charcoal but I wasn't sure as this was my first cook with it setup this way.

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This is the waterpan after I pulled it from the cooker and you can see all the grease and fat that is left on top on my foil. It was about 3/4" thick.

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This is the pan after I remove the foil covering the waterpan. It is clean and ready to go again.

The food came out as good as it would have with my normal setup using Ozark Oak lump and with water in the waterpan except for a couple of items. The bark on the butts was a little harder than I wanted and I should have foiled them earlier in the cook. I also should have added more smoke wood to the fire when I put the ribs and chicken on the fire as they came out with less smoke flavor. I believe the new lump flavor is not as strong as the Ozark Oak.

I was very happy with the cook as my number one priority was to be able to get a longer cook out of a single load of fuel and it sure did that!! If it wasn't for the very high wind, the cooker would probably have run untouched for about 10-12 hours. Should be great for any overnight or contest cooking.

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Sump Pump

Postby norm » Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:40 am

Newbie, please explain the sump pump. is this similar to guru?
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Postby Ziggy » Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:48 am

Don't tell Randy or Podge because the SH*t will hit the fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!about the Sump Pump
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Postby Porky » Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:40 am

Old Dave
Thanks for the great detail on this cook. I see from the pics that the chicken is on the bottom shelf just above the water pan, how long was it cooking and how did the skin come out, was it at all crispy.
I also cooked this past Sunday with foiled lined pan and no water, but it was only chicken cooked on the shelf just above temp probe and also on the shelf just below @325 for about 1 1/4 hrs. Chicken came out fantastic. I thought that the water pan w/water is used to provide moisture to the end product but it seems that that is not necessarily the case, or am I wrong?

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Postby Old Dave » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:31 pm

Norm,

Yes, I call the both the Stoker and the Guru a "Sump Pump".
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Postby Old Dave » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:49 pm

Les,

I don't have the exact time the chicken was on the cooker as I used a Thermopen to test for doneness and I would guess about 2hrs and 45 minutes. I took it off the cooker when the temp in the legs and thighs was at about 175 degrees. And no, the skin didn't come out crispy. The only way I can get crispy skin at the low and slow cooking temp is to bread the chicken before I cook it. Chicken will cook up great on the very top grid with the higher temps. If all I am cooking is chicken, I do run a much higher temp and I then get great skin.

Using water in the cooker does add moisture to the outside of all the meat you cook. In my opinion, it makes a much better bark than running a dry cooker. I usually have to use foil when running without water when I am cooking the low and slow meats like brisket and butts. Moisture in the cooker also make the meat cook quicker.

To me, it is nice to have all the options when using these cookers. Thanks for your comments.
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Postby RiverCityRub » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:14 pm

Dave,
what would you say your direction will be? Going for the longer cook time without adding fuel or better bark, quicker cook times with the water. I've tried cooking without water in my piglet and did so with pretty good success but if the fire every got out of control and the temps went up it took a long time for it to come down. I'm still playing around with it but not to sure what I'm going to do at the contest.
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Firebox question...

Postby woody » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:35 pm

I have a party that does nt have an ungraded firebox with grates. In the next few weeks i plan to get a welder to instal a firebox with grates. my question, what keeps the firebox in place? Does it slide in and out on some type of track? Any insight would be great.

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Postby Ziggy » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:54 pm

Theron I know Dave was trying to get a longer burn with the new bricket lump coal to see if he could get 9 to 10 hour cook out of his cooker the party and he did but he will have to answer the other part for you.I'm going to do a cook this weekend with bricket in my FatBoy to get a longer burn will post picture when I do this weekend and will run water in the coooker 4 butt's and maybe a brisket !SeeYa Ziggy
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Postby Ed Embry » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:46 pm

Woody, the upgraded firebox slides on rails like the racks do with the ashpan underneath. The fireboxes in the Chubbies are the upgraded type and they sit on the cleanout pan and that works well too. That's what I've got in my upgraded Patio.
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Postby Old Dave » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:56 pm

Theron,

I did cook a contest in 2005 on my Fatboy without water but think I still get a better contest product with water so I don't think I will change on just this one cook. I now want to try this new charcoal with the water in the pan to see if maybe I can still get a little better burn time in the smaller upgraded Party. I would love to have the burn time out of the Party that I can get with the Fatboy.
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Postby ique » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:15 am

Old Dave wrote:Theron,

I did cook a contest in 2005 on my Fatboy without water but think I still get a better contest product with water so I don't think I will change on just this one cook. I now want to try this new charcoal with the water in the pan to see if maybe I can still get a little better burn time in the smaller upgraded Party. I would love to have the burn time out of the Party that I can get with the Fatboy.


Hey Dave, I did a cook on Tuesday night up here in Mass., it was about -5* outside. I used 10 CFM gurus, my Fatboys and the new WGC Briquettes. Put 100lbs of Pork Butts on at 7pm and woke at 5am to find perfectly cooked pork. I used water in the pan and did check in on things in the middle of the night but it was basically a set it and forget it experience.

What do you mean by the gate on the fan was 30% open? Didnt realize you could adjust the Guru fan.... :?:

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Postby Old Dave » Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:28 am

Chris,

How did youi like the new WGC charcoal??

The Fatboys sure do run nice and I have no problem cooking all night on mine but the Party does have a much smaller firebox so that is the reason I was using the new charcoal and also running without water. Like I said, I would love to get the burn time out of my Party that I get out of my Fatboy.

All the Guru fans have the gate on them and it is needed in my opinion. I think you are using the older models and some of them didn't have the gate. Nice thing about the gate is that you can buy the one fan and have it work on several cookers. It is a real plus on windy days to prevent the wind from blowing in thru the fan and keeping the fire too hot. We were having gusts of over 30-40 mph and I had the gate cut back to about 10% at one time.
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Postby ique » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:31 am

Old Dave wrote:Chris,

How did youi like the new WGC charcoal??


Really good stuff. I like the briquettes a lot as i can get more charcoal in the BWS firebox.

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Re: Interesting Cook (Party/No Water/New Style Charcoal) Par

Postby shares » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:48 pm

Dave, if you did use water but started out with hot water, do you think your burn time would be close to the dry burn time?
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